Ava DuVernay lets Trump ‘communicate for himself’ in Central Park Five collection ‘When Th…

Ava DuVernay lets Trump 'communicate for himself' in Central Park Five collection 'When Th... 4

Ava DuVernay lets Trump ‘communicate for himself’ in Central Park Five collection ‘When They See Us’




  1. I watched part 1 and part 2 of this on the weekend, I always knew about the case but never really how bad it was. It really shows how much law enforcement, and lawyers would exploit the system to get a conviction purely because they wanted the public to calm down about a horrible crime that happened.

    I didn’t know about the Trump stuff until I looked up after watching and it’s actually more horrible than I could’ve imagined and actually dragged on longer than the cases did. Going through the highlights.

    At the time Trump called to bring back the death penalty in New York for these 5 minors. The woman did not die from the r**e, so he was calling for the death penalty to be used against 5 minors in the case of r**e.

    I’m just going to quote the rest of them because Trump’s own words are more than enough.

    >Lawyers for the five defendants said that Trump’s advertisement had inflamed public opinion. After Reyes confessed to the crime and said he acted alone, one of the defendants’ lawyers, Michael W. Warren, said, “I think Donald Trump at the very least owes a real apology to this community and to the young men and their families.” Protests were held outside Trump Tower in October 2002 with protestors chanting, “Trump is a chump!”[ Trump was unapologetic at the time, saying, “I don’t mind if they picket. I like pickets”

    Not only did the guy confess, there was also DNA evidence that put him at the scene of the crime. DNA evidence that was presented as inconclusive rather than not a match in the original trial.

    >After the city announced in June 2014 that they would settle with the defendants for more than $40 million, Trump wrote an opinion article for the New York Daily News. He called the settlement “a disgrace” and said that the group’s guilt was still likely: “Settling doesn’t mean innocence. … Speak to the detectives on the case and try listening to the facts. These young men do not exactly have the pasts of angels.”[86]

    The facts of the case literally don’t make sense, and were sensationalized to an extreme degree. This is Trump literally ignoring a man who confessed, and DNA evidence put at the scene of the crime. It should be mentioned that the criminal who did confess was a serial killer and rapist and was incapable of telling the truth according to a psychologist however he knew facts about the crime only the a**ailant could’ve known and used a method he would use on future victims.

    The final part has to do with when he was campaigning in 2016 and one of the first things he did, and why he didn’t like John McCain as well.

    >In October 2016, when Trump campaigned to be president, he declared that the Central Park Five were guilty and stated that their convictions should never have been vacated. Trump told CNN: “They admitted they were guilty. The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same.”[91] Trump’s statement attracted criticism from the Central Park Five themselves[92] as well as others, including Republican U.S. Senator John McCain, who called Trump’s responses “outrageous statements about the innocent men in the Central Park Five case” and cited it as one of many causes prompting him to retract his endorsement of Trump.[93] Salaam said that he had falsely confessed out of coercion, after having been mistreated by police while in custody, deprived of food, drink or sleep for over 24 hours.[94] Documentarian Ken Burns called Trump’s comments “out and out racist” and “the height of vulgarity”.[95]

    This is one of the most horrifying parts of this Trump nonsense, him declaring while campaigning for president that the Central Park 5 were guilty and still basing it on the original case, and what the proved to be lying detectives used as evidence.

    By the way even the TV show about them on Netflix has the prosecution repeatedly questioning how much evidence they actually have, and how to make it work primarily because they have so little. The prosecutor in the case even outright states that none of the confessions make any real sense.

    All this shows to me is the current president of the US is a dangerous person who doesn’t believe in the rule of law or due process and is confident he is right even whenever there is objective evidence he is wrong, while supporting the death penalty for those crimes.

  2. The victim was covered in blood, her own and her a**ailant’s. There was a ton of physical evidence, and none of it matched any of the 5 accused. The police had the clothes they wore at the park, and none of that had blood on it either. That should have been the end of it, but it wasn’t. Years later a serial killer and serial rapist confesses to the crime, provides details, oh and yeah his DNA actually did match. The only way a person could believe the Central Park Five are still guilty would be if you are an authoritarian who sees all accused as guilty.

  3. >”Settling doesn’t mean innocence. … Speak to the detectives on the case and try listening to the facts. These young men do not exactly have the pasts of angels.”[86]


  4. Another thing to remember about the Central Park 5 case was how it directly fed into the “Super Predator” narrative which eventually resulted in the arguably disastrous 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act.

    Relevant Atlantic article from yesterday:


  5. Trump is the least interesting thing about this miniseries and incident overall, but his involvement is worth knowing about.

  6. I like how she used the same strategy to deal with Trump that George Clooney did with McCarthy in “Good Night, and Good Luck” – recognize that no actor could ever be as objectionable as the real person.

    (and it worked – per Wikipedia, “One complaint about the film among test audiences was their belief that the actor playing McCarthy was too over the top, not realizing that the film used actual archive footage of McCarthy himself.” – though in this case since it’s much more recent and we all know what Trump looks like I doubt many people were confused)

  7. Being from New York, it was shocking to me that most people in the country saw Trump as a “Reality TV Star.” Like almost no one outside maybe the tristate area knew this man’s history. I may be misremembering but it seems like he was in the papers almost every month, being a s**tty human being. I guess it makes a little bit of sense since most people love to hate on NYC (unless there’s an international t****rist situation to co-opt or a vacation to go on) and therefore tend to ignore the reality of the City as an actual place where Americans live.

  8. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/480672486342664193?s=09

    “I’d bet the lawyers for the Central Park 5 are laughing at the stupidity of N.Y.C. when there was such a strong case against their “clients””

    This tweet from June 2014 is still up. As a Canadian I try and just ignore the Trump stuff as much as possible, but this is just so ridiculous. Imagine if Obama still had an old Facebook post saying “Manson didn’t kill anyone, therefore is not a criminal” or something like that.

  9. It makes sense that trump doesnt believe in the scientific consensus on climate change when he won’t even believe in the scientific consensus of 5 innocent black kids.

  10. This was a great watch. Episode 1 made me visibly angry and episode 4 had me balling. It’s absolutely insane how the police and lawyers were able to ruin five separate lives like this. The performances were incredible and frankly, I could have watched 1-2 more episodes.

    Having said that some of the dialogue was a little too on the nose, specifically involving Trump. They cut to a TV and two women watching the story about his full page ad and they were talking about how he’ll never become anything and he’s just trying to get his name out there. I understand it was newsworthy but the way it was written for the show just felt a little overdone and too relevant for modern times imo.

    This should be required viewing.

  11. You mean the black kids the NYPD railroaded into r**e charges despite virtually no evidence against them that Trump wanted executed anyway? Then stood by that opinion years later when they were retroactively exonerated? I wonder why he wasn’t as sympathetic to *those* boys falsely accused of r**e?

  12. Can you imagine a Trump fan giving a s**t about his behavior in that regard? Trump *himself* said—infamously—that he could commit murder & not lose fans. It’s a political cult if there ever was one.

  13. This s**t made me come to my senses and realize that Trump really is an irredeemable piece of s**t.

  14. You know, in hindsight I realize the media’s treatment of Donald Trump was f**ked up even before he became president; this is a man who tried to have innocent black teens put to death and put ads out for it in newspapers even though they were proven innocent. A man who refused to let black people live in his apartments. A man who was notorious for s*xually hara**ing women.

    And yet they still gave him his own TV show, gave him guest appearances in kids movies, and generally treated him like a beloved pop culture icon. He was practically worshipped. Things were f**ked up long before the election, and America’s shameless racism has always shown itself, sometimes in ways that are subtle and sometimes not. Its just lately they’re not even trying to hide it anymore.

    I was just a little kid when The Apprentice was big, so I didn’t even know what I know now. Back then, Donald Trump was just the guy who said “You’re fired”. But he’s always been something much nastier and slimier. He’s a degenerate.

  15. Conventional logic suggests that THIS will be the moment that finally makes certain people question their feverish support of Trump.

    2019 logic scoffs at such naivety and realizes many Trump supporters are giddy to learn he did this.

  16. Quotes from this should be a reminder to the severe amnesiacs that make up Trump’s support base – no, we did not start thinking these things about Trump with the 2016 election, nor are they terms we threw onto him because he’s on the other side of the aisle. We’ve been saying these things about Trump for at least *three decades*.

  17. This is the same Trump who was enraged that Brett Kavanaugh wasn’t given enough due process.

    Trump is the biggest embarra**ment our country has ever known. And quite frankly we deserve the embarra**ment and hopefully it shames us into being better.

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